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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:57 pm

Well put i'd be in agreeance to that except no more Panthers for me, i'll put my claim on the Canuckies right now!
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:33 pm

teams can get way to overly screwed with NHL rerates. And NHL rerates are meh, theres nothing to develop for real, it's all how players develop in NHL.

Also offseasons are really, really, really long in NHL rerates, i don't personally see teh league living with 2-3months of non-simming offseason. And parts of that with no actual ratings for new players making everything a random gamble basing it on how whoever does the ratings believed the player did, even though ti is mostly fair.

I've done NHL rerate b4, I found it kinda boring especially when you had a guy who scroed 50 goals (Cheechoo) sign him to a new contract that year meaning you need to pay the 50 goal premium, having him for liek 4 years drastically overpaid player who gets you no more than 20 goals afterwards.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:05 am

another thing is the fact of are new rosters gonna gain the interest of gms we have. maybe it may stir some attention throught out other sim leagues
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:49 am

I think this is something that James has to decide for himself. We do have a majority for my idea, but it isn't a large majority (or for that matter, a large body of votes, only 10).

I don't think NHL rerate is a great idea, but I am not opposed to a concept where every couple of seasons or so (3-4 maybe?), each team got 1 NHL rerate for a player who surpassed expectations in real life. As a matter of fact, we even did do this in the season I took over for James while he was having computer troubles.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:32 pm

Season 3, yea I remember that. I wish we could get more votes though. 6-4 isn't a great turnout to work with. Don't forget to account Skwid and I. Skwid didn't want to vote, and I voted Meh before deleting the option.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:46 pm

Dallas wrote:
teams can get way to overly screwed with NHL rerates. And NHL rerates are meh, theres nothing to develop for real, it's all how players develop in NHL.

Also offseasons are really, really, really long in NHL rerates, i don't personally see teh league living with 2-3months of non-simming offseason. And parts of that with no actual ratings for new players making everything a random gamble basing it on how whoever does the ratings believed the player did, even though ti is mostly fair.

I've done NHL rerate b4, I found it kinda boring especially when you had a guy who scroed 50 goals (Cheechoo) sign him to a new contract that year meaning you need to pay the 50 goal premium, having him for liek 4 years drastically overpaid player who gets you no more than 20 goals afterwards.


I don't know that I entirely agree with everything you said here. Yes, teams can get screwed over if they make bad trades and bad decisions... that can happen in ANY league though. In an NHL rerate league you do have to really know your prospects and know your players.

As far as offseasons go, in most NHL rerate leagues you play the same amount of games, and play two seasons per NHL season, just like a sim based rerate... so I'm not sure where you're getting this long offseason idea from. As far as I know, they should be the exact same.

As far as signing guys to bad contracts, yeah, you have to watch out for that. But again, that can happen in a sim based rerate. If David Legwand blows up and I have to resign him for $7M a season and then he drops off again, then I screwed the pooch. At least in the NHL you have a pretty good idea of who is a one hit wonder and who is the real deal. I think the general consensus on Cheechoo at the time was that he was a Joe Thornton-fabricated tool, used by Joe to deflect pucks off for goals. I know hindsight is 20/20, but most people wouldn't sign someone like that to a four year deal. Again,. that's part of the risk of an NHL rerate league, and you have to make smart decisions.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:46 pm

2 seasons with the exact same rosters is by far teh stupidest thing I have ever seen, the draft will make no sense in any way, the team who won teh cup will have the EXACT same team, high chances of doing it all again without any risk of players going down.

Sorry but that is a really stupid way to do this.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:11 pm

You realize you're allowed to trade players and sign free agents, right? Why would you have the exact same team?
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:35 pm

James wrote:
Season 3, yea I remember that. I wish we could get more votes though. 6-4 isn't a great turnout to work with. Don't forget to account Skwid and I. Skwid didn't want to vote, and I voted Meh before deleting the option.

Yeah, that's why I think this is a decision you have to make for yourself. We have a majority, yes, but it isn't a significant enough one to do anything with, and with a low turnout... yikes.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:06 am

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You realize you're allowed to trade players and sign free agents, right? Why would you have the exact same team?

He meant ratings rather than rosters I think.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:57 pm

I was thinking about it today, maybe we don't want to make too many big drastic changes at this point in the season... it's almost the trade deadline, and playoffs are around the corner.

In the short term, it would be nice to have lots of teams trading at the deadline. What if every active GM took over one more team for the remainder of the season, and then we go from there?

I will start actively recruiting again as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:20 pm

Also if we did this for the remainder of the season (each GM has two teams) we should of course do no trades allowed between your own two teams, and no two teams in the same conference.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:25 pm

Actually if the majority wants, I can negotiate for teams without GM's for the week leading up to the trade deadline? Obviously I won't do any trades with the teams myself.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:54 am

Since I haven't voted --mostly because there's no clear-cut answer I
can give-- I'm going to point out the ideas I've seen so far that I
like.

  • NHL rerates - All in favour of this. You would only have to do one major rerate every two seasons (and it's done for you, with only a few tweaks needed). In my league I allow a set number of rerates for the season that finishes about the time of the NHL All-Star break, pro-rated.
  • Sticking with STHS - Absolutely. It is, afterall, the superior sim. Sorry to all the FHL supporters, but I can't get into a league that rates their goalies the same way they rate their players. Besides, if the biggest NHL rating gurus (dvhl) dropped it...that's got to say something.
  • Resetting the rosters to 09-10. Yep, I'm game for that. I'm not big on 'fake' players, and it's one of the aspects I never liked about the EA franchise as well. I also like the idea of giving every team a 'fresh start'. While I agree that NYI gets the short end of the stick...at least he gets the makings of a franchise on the mend. (Note to NYI...fire Garth. Seriously.)
  • Throwing James into a vat of bubbly acid - I can't remember who thought of this, but I kind of like the idea of wat----what? *ahem* sorry...that's me thinking out loud again...
Quack.

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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:50 am

I don't know why you would want to ruin some perfectly good acid. Can't we just snip his balls with some gardening shears?
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:54 pm

[quote="Duckies-GM"]Since I haven't voted --mostly because there's no clear-cut answer I
can give-- I'm going to point out the ideas I've seen so far that I
like.
[list]
[*]NHL rerates - All in favour of this. You would only have to do one major rerate every two seasons (and it's done for you, with only a few tweaks needed). In my league I allow a set number of rerates for the season that finishes about the time of the NHL All-Star break, pro-rated.
[*]Sticking with STHS - Absolutely. It is, afterall, the superior sim. Sorry to all the FHL supporters, but I can't get into a league that rates their goalies the same way they rate their players. Besides, if the biggest NHL rating gurus (dvhl) dropped it...that's got to say something.
[*]Resetting the rosters to 09-10. Yep, I'm game for that. I'm not big on 'fake' players, and it's one of the aspects I never liked about the EA franchise as well. I also like the idea of giving every team a 'fresh start'. While I agree that NYI gets the short end of the stick...at least he gets the makings of a franchise on the mend. (Note to NYI...fire Garth. Seriously.)
[*]Throwing James into a vat of bubbly acid - I can't remember who thought of this, but I kind of like the idea of wat----what? *ahem* sorry...that's me thinking out loud again...
[/list]Quack.[/quote]

Great minds think alike i agree tatally with this concept. Except for James and the acid.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:16 pm

James wrote:
Actually if the majority wants, I can negotiate for teams without GM's for the week leading up to the trade deadline? Obviously I won't do any trades with the teams myself.


That's cool, the only reason I bring up the two team thing (actually I think it was Jake's idea) is that it might make it more realistic. Instead of 10 GM's "pilaging" the other 20 teams, we would have teams like Phoenix, St. Louis, Boston, etc all actively trading with each other. I just think it would give the league and board a quick shot in the arm and make it feel more active until the season is over, and we can make the big decisions.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:41 pm

Yeah, perhaps we should just wait until the offseason before we make any big decisions on the future.
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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:34 pm

jschofield wrote:
Basically, this is how it would work. We would start brand new, with a league called simply "NASHL2". A couple of key points

1. 09-10 rosters at the start
2. Any GMs who stick around would HAVE to remain with the franchise they currently are playing as, unless they have won a cup. I think the only GM who currently fits that criteria that is still around is James though lol.

ie. I would remain as Edmonton's GM, Ale as Montreal's, etc.

Some may not like this too much, depending on what team they are, but a good portion of the league that would hypothetically remain would actually have pretty decent teams to start with.

3. A move back to FHL: The adjustment has been difficult for some, including myself, to get used to. The main intentions of moving to STHS were to make things easier for James, and to get more GMs. Part 1 was achieved. Part 2... not so much
4. A brand new webpage: We would have a brand new webpage, with all of the bells and whistles. Also, we would have a new forum, that would simply look... amazing. I will work on getting prototypes done, and when done, I will post them here
5. A history page detailing the current version of NASHL: The intention of this is to create a brand really. By having a detailed history page of NASHL, we may attract GMs as it would show effort. Basically, this would be the current history page, but it would look 5000 times better graphically, and there would likely be interesting write ups on it too. There would also be a panel appointed to elect players to the NASHL Hall of Fame.
6. The current rules would remain the same.

I think I pretty much covered everything with this idea. I think it's a great idea, but lets leave it to the people to decide.

I think either one of the 2 ideas I have proposed should be considered, largely because what we have right now isn't working, and it only makes it harder on James, because he does a lot of work, so from his perspective, there is no sense in him continuing running a 30 team league, but with only 10-15 active GMs year in, year out.

Ok time to seriously review this, as activity is on a constant downward spiral. Things need to change at the end of this season.

1. I don't think GM's here want to dismantle their teams that they have built, so I don't see this as a logical change.

2. I think this is reasonable.

3. STHS is the better simulator. FHLSim boards are pretty inactive too, I can't see us getting a lot of GM's from there. Either way, we'll have trouble finding GM's.

4. Prototypes would be nice, let's give it a shot, see what we can come up with.

5. Sure, it's worth the shot as well.

6. Sounds good.


Thoughts/opinions??

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PostSubject: Re: Another Idea to Solve Activity Crisis   Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:37 pm

Duckies-GM wrote:
Since I haven't voted --mostly because there's no clear-cut answer I
can give-- I'm going to point out the ideas I've seen so far that I
like.

  • NHL rerates - All in favour of this. You would only have to do one major rerate every two seasons (and it's done for you, with only a few tweaks needed). In my league I allow a set number of rerates for the season that finishes about the time of the NHL All-Star break, pro-rated.
  • Sticking with STHS - Absolutely. It is, afterall, the superior sim. Sorry to all the FHL supporters, but I can't get into a league that rates their goalies the same way they rate their players. Besides, if the biggest NHL rating gurus (dvhl) dropped it...that's got to say something.
  • Resetting the rosters to 09-10. Yep, I'm game for that. I'm not big on 'fake' players, and it's one of the aspects I never liked about the EA franchise as well. I also like the idea of giving every team a 'fresh start'. While I agree that NYI gets the short end of the stick...at least he gets the makings of a franchise on the mend. (Note to NYI...fire Garth. Seriously.)
  • Throwing James into a vat of bubbly acid - I can't remember who thought of this, but I kind of like the idea of wat----what? *ahem* sorry...that's me thinking out loud again...
Quack.

I didn't even notice this post, sorry! Actually the only thing I'm not in favour of (unless everyone else wants to do it) is resetting rosters.

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